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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:59 PM

This rivalry goes back to the time the Roman Catholic Church persecuted the Knights Templars. In modern times, its the freemasons and the knights of columbus. More on this rivalry soon...

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I've no idea either. hehe. mukhang parada for independence day.

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Since the Papal Bull In Eminenti issued by Clement XII in 1738 Roman Catholics have, in theory at least, been prohibited from becoming Freemasons. Subsequent bulls have extended the ban to Masonically inspired bodies like the Odd Fellows and Knights of Pythias. At times however Papal prohibitions have proved difficult to enforce and such has been the appeal of the fraternal orders that some Catholics have sought to develop acceptable alternatives. Typically these possessed the attractions of brotherhood and ritual but at the same time were established as exclusively Catholic organisations which carefully tip-toed around Papal objections to oath taking and secrecy.

One well known example of a Catholic fraternal organisation is the Ancient Order of Hibernians, for Irish Catholics and Catholics of Irish descent. In this article however we will look at another organisation, the Knights of Columbus. The Knights of Columbus are particularly interesting because not only were they established explicitly as a Catholic alternative to Freemasonry in the United States but their subsequent development (and that of related organisations) appears to mirror closely the history of American Freemasonry.

The Knights of Columbus were founded in 1882 in New Haven, Connecticut by Father Michael McGiveny. The name was chosen as a reminder that America was discovered by a Catholic. Leaving aside the rather offensive and racist assumptions concerning Columbus’s ‘discovery’ of an already inhabited continent, given that Columbus had set sail in 1492 he could hardly have been a Protestant as the Reformation had not occurred at the time.

The Knights of Columbus has from its origins remained an exclusively male organisation, the most famous of the many millions of men to become members over the decades was U.S. President John F. Kennedy.

Mindful of the appeal of Freemasonry the Knights of Columbus organised along similar lines. The Knights were organised into councils akin to lodges. A degree structure mirroring the three basic grades of the Masons was devised. The three degrees were Order being; 1. Faith, 2. Charity and 3. Unity.

In 1900 a fourth degree was added. This is known as the Patriotic Degree and its members are organised into Assemblies separate from the councils. Insofar as it was a later appendage to the original three degrees and its members are organised separately, the Patriotic Degree in many ways corresponds to the higher (or ‘side’) degrees of Freemasonry to which Masons qualify if (among other things) they have first progressed through the initial three degrees. In the case of the Knights of Columbus, a candidate for the Patriotic Degree must have been a Third degree initiate for at least a year before qualifying.

Moreover the Patriotic Degree has a quasi-military character. Members, or Worthy Sir Knights, as they are known, wear uniforms and participate in parades extolling the virtues of patriotism. As such the Patriotic Degree would seem to have some equivalence to the Masonic Knights Templar Degree (the most well known of several extanct Masonic knightly grades). Indeed the Knights Templar is believed to be the inspiration for a host of quasi-military degrees which were created within American Fraternal organisations in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century, the Knights of Columbus’ Patriotic Degree among them.

The author of the fourth degree ritual of the Knights of Columbus, William Harper Bennet, was subsequently responsible for establishing another Catholic Fraternity called the Order of Alhambra.

If the Knights of Columbus mirror the three basic degrees of Freemasonry plus a rough equivalent to the Masonic Knights Templar degree, then the Order of Alhambra represents a Roman Catholic version of the Shriners.

The Shriners, or Ancient Arabic Order of Nobles of the Mystic Shrine, to give them their full name stand outside of Freemasonry but at the same time (until recently at least) stood at its apex. Only Masons who had attained the York Rite Knights Templar degree or the 32nd degree of the Scottish Rite were eligible for membership.

The Shriners were founded in 1871 by W. J. Florence. The rituals and paraphenalia of the order contain many borrowings from Arab and Islamic culture. The emblem of the Shriners is the Islamic crescent and other symbols used include the sphinx and the pyramid. Initiates are called Nobles and greet each other with the salutation es Selamu Aleikum, Arabic for ‘Peace be with you’. Nobles wear a red fez with a black tassle, this has become the single most distinctive mark of the Shriners. The local unit of Shriner organisation is the Temple (analogous to a lodge) and all temples are given Arabic names. The first ever Shriner Temple was named ‘Mecca’. The officers of each Temple constitute a Divan, the leading officers are titled Potentate and Chief Rabban. The head of the entire order is titled Imperial Potentate who presides over an Imperial Grand Council. A copy of the Quran is used during initiations, a fact probably blasphemous to Muslims and ironic given that the two Masonic bodies through which candidates are required to pass to qualify them for membership of the Shriners are both explicitly Christian.

The Order of Alhambra also uses Arabic (perhaps more properly Moorish) and Islamic terminology albeit in a less ambiguous and more pro-Christian manner. The Order of Alhambra was founded in 1904 and was originally open only to fourth degree initiates of the Knights of Columbus. As with the Knights of Columbus, members are referred to as ‘Sir Knights’.

The name of the order derives from the Alhambra Palace in Granada, Spain where the Moors surrendered to the Spanish Reconquistadors. To make the point even clearer the emblem of the order is a red castle (the Red Castle of Castille) on top of a crescent, symbolising the victory of the Spanish Christians over the Moors.

Having asserted the domination of Christians over Muslims the Order of Alhambra then appropriate several aspects of Moorish language and dress and in so doing appear to closely imitate the Shriners. Thus whereas the Shriners wear red fezzes, the Alhambrans wear white ones. Eastern costumes and sets inspired by Moorish themes are used in Alhambran rituals.

The Alhambran equivalent of a Shriner Temple is called a caravan and all caravans have Moorish names. Like the Shriners the Order of Alhambra utilise Moorish Islamic titles for their office holders. The governing body of the order is known as the Supreme Divan which consists of representatives from all the caravans and the Council of Viziers (the supreme officers of the order). In Ottoman turkey the Vizier was the equivalent of a Prime Minister. Caravans are also grouped into regional bodies, each overseen by a Grand Divan.

Just as the Shriners ‘dumbed-down’ their membership qualifications to accept anyone who was a Master Mason (a reform introduced in 2000) so the Order of Alhambra also evolved a less exclusive admissions policy opening their doors to all Catholic men over the age of eighteen.

Finally both the Shriners and the Order of Alhambra have made charitable works a central aspect of their activity, something the Shriners in particular have become famous for.

Until recently when racial barriers have belatedly begun to fall, American Freemasonry was deeply segregated and had been so for some two hundred years. Paralleling the all-white, state-based Grand Lodges of ‘regular’ Freemasonry (regular insofar as it was recognised by the fraternity’s parent body, the United Grand Lodge of England) was Prince Hall Masonry.

Prince Hall Masonry is named after a man of that name. Prince Hall was an eighteenth century black man who along with fourteen other blacks were initiated into a British military lodge in Boston under the jurisdiction of the Gand Lodge of Ireland. As Prince Hall is usually the only one of the fifteen who is remembered it is worth recounting the names of the others: Cyrus Johnson, Bueston Slinger, Prince Rees, John Canton, Peter Freeman, Benjamin Tiler, Duff Ruform, Thomas Santerson, Prince Rayden, Cato Spain, Boston Smith, Peter Best, Forten Howard and Richard Titley.

As a result of the victory of the colonists in the War of Independence the British Army was forced to leave and their Masonic lodges went with them. Prince Hall and his fellow black Masons were left with a charter conferring certain Masonic rights on them but not the right to initiate others. There were a scattering of other black Masons in the U.S. at the time and these grouped themselves with Prince Hall and his brothers. American Grand Lodges were forming at the time and Massachusettes Grand Lodge resolutely failed to invite the black Masons to affiliate. It thus took until 1784 before a charter allowing for new inititions was acquired. By the late 1790’s however African Lodge (as it was known) fell into arrears. Despite attempts to correspond with the Grand Lodge in London, the black Masons were struck off the rolls of recognised lodges (a suspiciously harsh response). In reply, African Lodge declared itself independent and renamed itself African Grand Lodge.

The tendency for the Grand Lodge (and later United Grand Lodge) of England to blow hot and cold towards the Prince Hall Masons was probably the result of the attitudes (racist or enlightened) of the particular officers at the time. This continued well into the 20th century when in 1946 the UGLE first recognised Prince Hall masonry as regular and then within twelve months withdrew the recognition.

Whilst Prince Hall Masonry was born, in great part, out of racial discrimination amongst white Freemasons, so the Catholic Knights of Peter Claver were born out of similar prejudices that existed within the Knights of Columbus. The Knights of Peter Claver was founded in Alabama in 1909 by four Josephite Fathers (Conrad Rebesher, John Dorsey, Samuel Kelly, and Joseph van Baast) and three laymen (Gilbert Faustina, Frank Collins and Frank Trenier) in response to a colour bar operating within the local council of the Knights of Columbus, both Collins and Trenier were black. The Knights are named after a 17th century Catholic missionary who worked among the slaves of South America.

The Knights of Peter Claver have modelled themselves on the Knights of Columbus initially with a structure of three degrees (a fourth was added in 1917) and members organised into councils. This mirroring was not dissimilar to the way Prince Hall Masonry modelled itself on ‘regular’ Freemasonry in time developing a degree structure which incorporated many of the ‘higher’ degree systems of Freemasonry like the Royal Arch, the thirty three degree Scottish Rite and the Knights Templar.

Because of their origins the Knights of Peter Claver became and remained a predominently black organisation, whites have, however always been welcomed and currently make up about a quarter of the membership. The organisation also crosses the gender divide with membership open to women.

As racism has been weaned out of the Knights of Columbus co-operation between the two Catholic fraternities has increased. A not dissimilar development has ocurred in the relationship between Freemasonry and Prince Hall Masonry with many American (and some foreign) Grand Lodges now recognising Prince Hall Masons as legitimate.

So, just as Freemasonry developed higher degrees including a chivalric qusi-military degree so too did the Knights of Columbus. Just as Freemasonry spawned an autonomous order based on an Arabic theme so too did the Knights of Columbus, and finally, just as racism within Freemasonry prompted the rise of a black alternative so the racism of the Knights of Columbus spawned a non-racist inclusive alternative.

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Sometimes, those seeking to encourage hatred and dissent try to ferment trouble between groups whom they think are, or should be, 'natural enemies'. This tactic can garner interest but in the end, it is always revealed as a hate tactic. Such have been the attempts at pitting the honorable Catholic religious fraternity, the Knights of Columbus, against Freemasonry.

The Knights of Columbus is the world's largest Catholic Family Fraternal Service Organization. Founded in 1882, there are now nearly 11,000 councils and nearly 1.6 million members plus their families - approximately 4.5 million people total - many of whom are actively involved in volunteer service programs for the Catholic Church, their communities, their families, young people, and one another.

Source: Knights of Columbus Internet Site

Differing from Freemasons, the Knights of Columbus have a singular head of the entire organization, they allow only those of a the Catholic faith into their membership, they provide an insurance benefit to their members, and they take strong positions on political and social matters currently including 'right to life' issues. There are several basic philosophical and organizational  differences in the two organizations.

A bogus Knights of Columbus oath was circulated in the early 1900s as an anti-Catholic tactic designed to inflame Protestants and others. Although branded by a US Congressional Committee in 1913 as a fake used by American bigots, the bogus oath was used against Democratic candidate Alfred E. Smith in the 1928 presidential campaign and again against John F. Kennedy in 1960 in the West Virginia Democratic primary.

This oath resurfaces from time to time to be used by - strangely enough - individuals whose hatred for the Catholic Church seems exceeded only by their hatred for Freemasonry. The fake oath reads:

    "I do promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex, nor condition, and that I will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive those infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race...."

The Knights of Columbus organization has a proud history. There are a number of Masons who are also involved members of the KofC and it is not unusual for KofC Councils and Masonic Lodges to share an annual 'Fellowship Breakfast' or other activities in the interests of fraternalism.

Source: They Never Said It: A Book of Fake Quotes and Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions
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In 2002, we became aware of a website belonging to a Knights of Columbus chapter in California. Their Webmaster went to some length to disparage Freemasonry using the old chestnuts including the Papal Encyclicals from 1738. It's too bad that there are bigots everywhere and that one person can so poison the well. Fortunately, such hatred does NOT appear on the national organization's website and there are many instances of Knights of Columbus members and Masons working together for the betterment of all mankind. In 2004, we noted that the intolerance and bigotry of Council #1271 of San Luis Obispo at their site formerly titled knightline.org was not only gone but the site's name was up for sale as well. Good riddance to that kind of pedantic hatred!

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:59 AM

View PostAdmin, on 02 July 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

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Nothing probably happened here but would make for interesting captions on both sides. haha

Nag rumble sana sila!! Kaya lang mukhang di uubra ang mga mason, may kapa at esapada ang mga KofC, meron pang kabayo yan sigurado getaway car after ng hit!!

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:33 PM

View PostAdmin, on 02 July 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

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boss admin mukhang tagilid ang mga freemason dito dahil may dalang espada ang mga KoC..hehehehe:lol:
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:09 PM

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View Post5 Puntos, on 03 July 2012 - 05:59 AM, said:

Nag rumble sana sila!! Kaya lang mukhang di uubra ang mga mason, may kapa at esapada ang mga KofC, meron pang kabayo yan sigurado getaway car after ng hit!!


tol, paano di uubra ung mga mason eh nakatago ung mga .45 caliber pistol ng mga yan sa apron nila, di mo ba alam na maraming pulis at sundalo sa mason at halos lahat ng general dito sa pinas eh mason..

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View PostBOSSabos, on 03 July 2012 - 04:25 PM, said:

tol, paano di uubra ung mga mason eh nakatago ung mga .45 caliber pistol ng mga yan sa apron nila, di mo ba alam na maraming pulis at sundalo sa mason at halos lahat ng general dito sa pinas eh mason..

@bossabos, ganun ba sir, kaunti lang kasi ang alam kong mason.. totoo ba yan na mdaming pulis na heneral na mga mason??? interesting yan.. MAdami din naman yatang ganun sa KofC...

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:30 AM

just for fun lng po. no offense meant.  :lol:

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:27 AM

Mmm... what's the purpose of this thread? Perhaps, going back to history? Paano iyung panahon natin ngayon?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:38 AM

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Groups such as Catholic Action of the Philippines, the Congregation of the Mission, the Knights of Columbus, and the Catholic Teachers Guild organized opposition to the bill; they were countered by Veteranos de la Revolucion (Spirit of 1896), Alagad in Rizal, the Freemasons, and the Knights of Rizal. The Senate Committee on Education sponsored a bill co-written by both Jose P. Laurel and Recto, with the only opposition coming from Francisco Soc Rodrigo, Mariano Jesús Cuenco, and Decoroso Rosales.

Hayan, history lang ang meron ako. Currently, wala naman akong nalalaman na may ganito sa panahon natin ngayon...

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 10:51 AM

a very interesting topic. from my own observation, wala naman talaga dapat rivalry between the two groups. meron na ba kayo nabalitaan na nagkaron ng away between members the two fraternities, di ba wala naman? :)

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 11:33 AM

tolskie simels tanong ko lng..what if nag rambol ang mason at KoC pero puros na matatanda ang kasali..ano kaya ang mangyayari??
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View Postdgb1961, on 04 July 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

tolskie simels tanong ko lng..what if nag rambol ang mason at KoC pero puros na matatanda ang kasali..ano kaya ang mangyayari??

brod, sa tingin ko, puro salita na lang yan. isang "maingay" na rambol. hehehe.

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View Postsimels, on 04 July 2012 - 01:17 PM, said:

brod, sa tingin ko, puro salita na lang yan. isang "maingay" na rambol. hehehe.

hehehe...baka daanin nlng sa beer drinikng contest tolskie..:rolleyes:
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:39 PM

View Postdgb1961, on 04 July 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

hehehe...baka daanin nlng sa beer drinikng contest tolskie..:rolleyes:
Puwede, haha. Pero audience lang ako kasi baka talo kapag sasali ako. xD Di kasi ako mahilig uminom.

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brod, sa tingin ko, puro salita na lang yan. isang "maingay" na rambol. hehehe.

hahaha, agree ako dito.. :D

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:00 PM

--Very interesting research Bro.Admin---

Since the Papal Bull In Eminenti issued by Clement XII in 1738 Roman Catholics have, in theory at least, been prohibited from becoming Freemasons. Subsequent bulls have extended the ban to Masonically inspired bodies like the Odd Fellows and Knights of Pythias.

-- Yes,indeed there are hundreds of Catholic who are member of the Freemason but the law is clear, They have cut themselves off from Catholic Church, and deprived themselves of the right to the Sacraments.

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The Knights of Columbus were founded in 1882 in New Haven, Connecticut by Father Michael McGiveny. The name was chosen as a reminder that America was discovered by a Catholic. Leaving aside the rather offensive and racist assumptions concerning Columbus’s ‘discovery’ of an already inhabited continent, given that Columbus had set sail in 1492 he could hardly have been a Protestant as the Reformation had not occurred at the time.

The Knights of Columbus has from its origins remained an exclusively male organisation, the most famous of the many millions of men to become members over the decades was U.S. President John F. Kennedy
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--- The first organizational meeting was on October 2, 1881 and the Order was incorporated under the laws of the U.S. state of Connecticut on March 29, 1882.
--- It is interesting to know that the primary motivation for the Order was to be a mutual benefit society. As a    
    parish priest in an immigrant community, McGivney (the Founder) saw what could happen to a family when the
    breadwinner died, and wanted to provide insurance to care for the widows and orphans left behind.
----In the late 19th century, Catholics were regularly excluded from labor unions and other organizations that
    provided social services.
---- This was the time of strong bigotry against the Catholic immigrants in the U.S, so the K of C is a matter of survival for them..

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View PostSir Knight 8148, on 09 July 2012 - 01:00 PM, said:

--Very interesting research Bro.Admin---

Since the Papal Bull In Eminenti issued by Clement XII in 1738 Roman Catholics have, in theory at least, been prohibited from becoming Freemasons. Subsequent bulls have extended the ban to Masonically inspired bodies like the Odd Fellows and Knights of Pythias.

-- Yes,indeed there are hundreds of Catholic who are member of the Freemason but the law is clear, They have cut themselves off from Catholic Church, and deprived themselves of the right to the Sacraments.

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The Knights of Columbus were founded in 1882 in New Haven, Connecticut by Father Michael McGiveny. The name was chosen as a reminder that America was discovered by a Catholic. Leaving aside the rather offensive and racist assumptions concerning Columbus’s ‘discovery’ of an already inhabited continent, given that Columbus had set sail in 1492 he could hardly have been a Protestant as the Reformation had not occurred at the time.

The Knights of Columbus has from its origins remained an exclusively male organisation, the most famous of the many millions of men to become members over the decades was U.S. President John F. Kennedy
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--- The first organizational meeting was on October 2, 1881 and the Order was incorporated under the laws of the U.S. state of Connecticut on March 29, 1882.
--- It is interesting to know that the primary motivation for the Order was to be a mutual benefit society. As a    
    parish priest in an immigrant community, McGivney (the Founder) saw what could happen to a family when the
    breadwinner died, and wanted to provide insurance to care for the widows and orphans left behind.
----In the late 19th century, Catholics were regularly excluded from labor unions and other organizations that
    provided social services.
---- This was the time of strong bigotry against the Catholic immigrants in the U.S, so the K of C is a matter of survival for them..

Well said, Sir Knight.

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View PostAdmin, on 02 July 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

This rivalry goes back to the time the Roman Catholic Church persecuted the Knights Templars. In modern times, its the freemasons and the knights of columbus. More on this rivalry soon...

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I beg to disagree Bro. Admin, it is not the Catholic Church that persecuted the Knights Templars but the King of France at that time "King Philip IV of France (1268–1314)"
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In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in France, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders. Neither was amenable to the idea, but Pope Clement persisted, and in 1306 he invited both Grand Masters to France to discuss the matter. De Molay arrived first in early 1307, but de Villaret was delayed for several months. While waiting, De Molay and Clement discussed charges that had been made two years prior by an ousted Templar. It was generally agreed that the charges were false, but Clement sent King Philip IV of France a written request for assistance in the investigation. King Philip was already deeply in debt to the Templars from his war with the English and decided to seize upon the rumors for his own purposes. He began pressuring the Church to take action against the Order, as a way of freeing himself from his debts.[24]

On Friday, October 13, 1307 (a date sometimes spuriously linked with the origin of the Friday the 13th superstition)[25][26] Philip ordered de Molay and scores of other French Templars to be simultaneously arrested. The arrest warrant started with the phrase : "Dieu n'est pas content, nous avons des ennemis de la foi dans le Royaume" ["God is not pleased. We have enemies of the faith in the kingdom"].[27] The Templars were charged with numerous offences (including apostasy, idolatry, heresy, obscene rituals and homosexuality, financial corruption and fraud, and secrecy).[28]

Many of the accused confessed to these charges under torture, and these confessions, even though obtained under duress, caused a scandal in Paris. All interrogations were recorded on a thirty metre long parchment, kept at the "Archives nationales" in Paris. The prisoners were coerced to confess that they had spat on the Cross : "Moi Raymond de La Fère, 21 ans, reconnais que (J'ai) craché trois fois sur la Croix, mais de bouche et pas de coeur" (free translation : "I, Raymond de La Fère, 21 years old, admit that I have spat three times on the Cross, but only from my mouth and not from my heart"). The Templars were accused of idolatry.[29]
After more bullying from Philip, Pope Clement then issued the papal bull Pastoralis Praeeminentiae on November 22, 1307, which instructed all Christian monarchs in Europe to arrest all Templars and seize their assets.[30]


Pope Clement called for papal hearings to determine the Templars' guilt or innocence, and once freed of the Inquisitors' torture, many Templars recanted their confessions. Some had sufficient legal experience to defend themselves in the trials, but in 1310 Philip blocked this attempt, using the previously forced confessions to have dozens of Templars burned at the stake in Paris.[31][32]


With Philip threatening military action unless the pope complied with his wishes, Pope Clement finally agreed to disband the Order, citing the public scandal that had been generated by the confessions. At the Council of Vienne in 1312, he issued a series of papal bulls, including Vox in excelso, which officially dissolved the Order, and Ad providam, which turned over most Templar assets to the Hospitallers.[34]
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I hope this contribute something..and May i ask whats the connection between the Freemasons and the Knight Templars?
Thanks..God Speed.. :D  :D  :D

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostJones of Council 6956, on 09 July 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

Well said, Sir Knight.

Thanks Brod.

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View PostAdmin, on 02 July 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

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Nothing probably happened here but would make for interesting captions on both sides. haha
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Nice one Bro. Admin, ill show this to my brothers in Cebu, i guest the most vital observation in this pic is the kind of respect that both fraternities had for each other,and how civil are  their members,.. :)

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View Postsimels, on 04 July 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

a very interesting topic. from my own observation, wala naman talaga dapat rivalry between the two groups. meron na ba kayo nabalitaan na nagkaron ng away between members the two fraternities, di ba wala naman? :)
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If your asking about away like "street Rumble" or "Physical harm", hmmmm..i dont know during the early years of the 19th Century, wala pa namang internet at that time,  :D , but do they really fought each other?, i believed yes, but not on the street but in the arena of:

1. Business Influence,
  
2. Political Ground and Policy (both Local and International)
  
3. Community influence

4. and Religious Views,

Promoting each order's principles, and the outcome are felt from generation to generation,..

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 07:29 PM

Gaya nga ng link dito
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizal_Law#History
Wala akong rumble na nabasa...
Nice one Past Grand Knight! =]

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View PostJones of Council 6956, on 10 July 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Gaya nga ng link dito
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizal_Law#History
Wala akong rumble na nabasa...
Nice one Past Grand Knight! =]

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nice link bro.,thanks a lot, by the way Bro. nakita mo naba ang latest movie produce by K of C in titled " For Greater Glory" aka " Cristiada"?, its a story about how our brother knights fought for religious freedom in Mexico in 1926, Cristeros War (1926-1929) and how our Supreme Council in the U.S supported them until the end of the Mexican Religious war.
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"For Greater Glory" The Movie

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The also feature feature the fraternal conflict between the Knights of Columbus and the Ku Klux Klan, a powerful organization in the U.S at that time.

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Knights of Columbus and the Ku Klux Klan

Both American councils and mostly newly formed Mexican councils of the Knights of Columbus opposed the persecution by the Mexican state. To date, nine of those beatified or canonized were Knights. The American Knights collected more than a million dollars to assist exiles from Mexico, to continue the education of expelled seminarians, and to inform citizens of the U.S. about oppression.[72] They circulated five million leaflets educating the U.S. about the war, held hundreds of lectures and spread the news via radio.[72] In addition to fostering an informed public the order met with Calvin Coolidge to press for intervention in the oppression in Mexico. [73]

In Mexico, according to Supreme Knight of Knights of Columbus Carl A. Anderson, two thirds of their Mexican Catholic councils were shut down by the Mexican government at the time. In response, the Knights of Columbus published posters and magazines placing the Cristero soldiers in positive light.[74]

High-ranking members of the U.S. Ku Klux Klan in the mid-1920s offered Calles $10,000,000 to help fight the Church. The offer came when the Knights of Columbus secretly offered a group of Cristero rebels $1,000,000 of financial assistance for guns and ammunition.

This was made after the fact that Calles also sent a private telegram to the Mexican Ambassador to France, Sr. Alberto José Pani Arteaga advising that the "...Catholic Church in Mexico is a political movement, and must be eliminated in order to proceed with a Socialist government free of religious hypnotism which fools the people... within one year without the sacraments, the people will forget the faith..."[75]
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It makes me proud to be a member of the Knights of Columbus ...

Carpe diem...

Vivat Jesus!!!

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