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#1 naraht

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 09:53 AM

On the web page for APO Kabite Alumni Association, I ran into something wierd on the History of Alpha Phi Omega page. In the first section of the History which otherwise describes only events that are part of the shared history of the two national organization prior to 1930 is the following:

The loyalty pledge was written by Sir Elbert Kim Hubbard.


Now it was fairly easy to track down the pledge that this is talking about (http://quotationsbook.com/quote/45052/) which starts out "If you work for a man, in heaven's name work for him"

While it is a noble sentiment, I have *never* heard this specifically associated with Alpha Phi Omega. Does anyone have any information as to whether it is official in APO-Philippines or any other history of it.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 02:56 PM

Brods/Sis,

Tulong naman, enge ako copy ng tagalog na loyalty pledge.

Papasaulo ko sa pledgee namin ngayon.

hehehe..

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:30 PM

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Galing dito yan http://reynaelena.com/2008/04/28/pledge-of-loyalty/
May bonus pang comedy version jan.  laugh.gif

However, I don't think eksaktong translation yan.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (zastava9 @ Aug 5 2010, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome dito sa PF kapatid! Sign up ka dito http://www.pinoyfraternity.com/index.php?showtopic=1043

“SUMPA NG KATAPATAN”

KUNG IKAW AY MAGLILINGKOD SA ISANG TAO
SA NGALAN NG KATAAS TAASAN, MAGLINGKOD KA’T
TUMAYO AT SUMUNOD SA INSTITUSYUNG KANYANG
GINAGALAWAN . TANDAAN MO NA ANG ONSA NG
KATAPATAN AY KASINGHALAGA NG LIBRA NG KATALINUHAN

KUNG IKAW AY MAGREREKLAMO, HABANG BUHAY MUNG
PAGSISISIHAN KUNG BAKIT MO INIWAN ANG IYUNG
POSISYON. AT KUNG IKAW AY NASA LABAS, BAHALA KANA SA SALOOBIN NG IYUNG PUSO. NGUNIT HABANG IKAW AY
KASANGKOT PA SA INSTITUSYUNG ITO. HUWAG MO ITONG
ITATAKWIL.

KAPAG IYUNG GINAWA ANG UNANG MALAKAS NA HANGIN
NA DARATING AY TATAMA SAYO AT HINDI MO ALAM KUNG BAKIT


Galing dito yan http://reynaelena.com/2008/04/28/pledge-of-loyalty/
May bonus pang comedy version jan.  laugh.gif

However, I don't think eksaktong translation yan.
BTW, ygpm.


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Posted 05 August 2010 - 04:07 PM

Kapatid, mahirap magbigay ng lecture sa isang applicante kung sa sarili mo mismo hindi mo memoryado. opinyon lang naman.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 04:24 PM

QUOTE (Admin @ Aug 5 2010, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kapatid, mahirap magbigay ng lecture sa isang applicante kung sa sarili mo mismo hindi mo memoryado. opinyon lang naman.


Hehe... KABISADO KO YAN! TINITIGNAN KO LANG KUNG MAY SASAGOT SAKING BROD DITO. PEDE KO B NAMANG MAKALIMUTAN YAN? KAHIT NAKABALIKTAD PINASAULO SAKIN YAN EH!? HEHE.. POAPS KB ADMIN? TANONG LANG NAMAN. wink.gif

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 06:23 PM

humihinge ka kasi ng kopya eh. kung kabisado mo, dapat hindi ka na humihinge. dibadibs? haha

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 06:44 PM

QUOTE (chicoy garcia @ Aug 5 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hehe... KABISADO KO YAN! TINITIGNAN KO LANG KUNG MAY SASAGOT SAKING BROD DITO. PEDE KO B NAMANG MAKALIMUTAN YAN? KAHIT NAKABALIKTAD PINASAULO SAKIN YAN EH!? HEHE.. POAPS KB ADMIN? TANONG LANG NAMAN. wink.gif

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:55 PM

QUOTE (chicoy garcia @ Aug 5 2010, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hehe... KABISADO KO YAN! TINITIGNAN KO LANG KUNG MAY SASAGOT SAKING BROD DITO. PEDE KO B NAMANG MAKALIMUTAN YAN? KAHIT NAKABALIKTAD PINASAULO SAKIN YAN EH!? HEHE.. POAPS KB ADMIN? TANONG LANG NAMAN. wink.gif



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Posted 05 August 2010 - 11:17 PM

Kapatid na Chicoy balitaan mo kami kung naisaulo na ng Pledgee yung tagalog version tapos try mo naman taglish  biggrin.gif seriously ang importante naiintindihan muna niya yung tunay na kahulugan before anything else.

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (Ka Berto @ Aug 5 2010, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kapatid na Chicoy balitaan mo kami kung naisaulo na ng Pledgee yung tagalog version tapos try mo naman taglish  biggrin.gif seriously ang importante naiintindihan muna niya yung tunay na kahulugan before anything else.

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Ditto. Tandaan mo rin ang sinabi ko sayo tol Chicoy.

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QUOTE (DimPaul @ Aug 5 2010, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome dito sa PF kaibigan.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Admin @ Aug 6 2010, 06:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Galit ata sia. lolz



Hehehe... Pasensya na po ADMIN! Bago lang! Peace! MWAB!:) Pati pala ibang frat nagkokomento dito sa page ng APO. wink.gif

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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:27 AM

QUOTE (chicoy garcia @ Aug 5 2010, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hehehe... Pasensya na po ADMIN! Bago lang! Peace! MWAB!:) Pati pala ibang frat nagkokomento dito sa page ng APO. wink.gif


Yep, and you can comment on theirs too. After all, this is a public forum where anyone can see each and every post, registered man sila dito or hindi.

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Yep, and you can comment on theirs too. After all, this is a public forum where anyone can see each and every post, registered man sila dito or hindi.

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QUOTE (Admin @ Aug 6 2010, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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May We Always Be OT paki close na to mga tol

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 10:54 AM

QUOTE (naraht @ Jul 15 2009, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the web page for APO Kabite Alumni Association, I ran into something wierd on the History of Alpha Phi Omega page. In the first section of the History which otherwise describes only events that are part of the shared history of the two national organization prior to 1930 is the following:

The loyalty pledge was written by Sir Elbert Kim Hubbard.


Now it was fairly easy to track down the pledge that this is talking about (http://quotationsbook.com/quote/45052/) which starts out "If you work for a man, in heaven's name work for him"

While it is a noble sentiment, I have *never* heard this specifically associated with Alpha Phi Omega. Does anyone have any information as to whether it is official in APO-Philippines or any other history of it.

Yours in Leadership, Friendship and Service
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Bumping my own posting. I've certainly seen it all over the place in Alpha Phi Omega Philippines, including on the National web site, I would like to get information as to when this pledge became part of Alpha Phi Omega Philippines, it isn't used at all in Alpha Phi Omega USA...

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 11:37 AM

Hi Naraht,
Let me post your question to APO Phils email group so we can have a better answer to your enquiry. Loyalty Pledge has been part of APO Phils Chapters maybe way back in the late 50s or early 60s.

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Posted 18 September 2010 - 01:13 PM

Get Out or Get in Line
By Elbert Hubbard

In the following original version of his essay,where the adaptation "LOYALTY PLEDGE " came from, the extracted words are in underline while the inserted parentheses are the modified/added  (corrupted) words

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Abraham Lincoln's letter to Hooker! If all the letters, messages and speeches of Lincoln were destroyed, except that one letter to Hooker, we still would have an excellent index to the heart of the Rail-Splitter.

In this letter we see that Lincoln ruled his own spirit; and we also behold the fact that he could rule others. The letter shows wise diplomacy, frankness, kindliness, wit, tact and infinite patience.

Hooker had harshly and unjustly criticised Lincoln, his commander in chief. But Lincoln waives all this in deference to the virtues he believes Hooker possesses, and promotes him to succeed Burnside. In other words, the man who had been wronged promotes the man who had wronged him, over the head of a man whom the promotee had wronged and for whom the promoter had a warm personal friendship.

But all personal considerations were sunk in view of the end desired. Yet it was necessary that the man promoted should know the truth, and Lincoln told it to him in a way that did not humiliate nor fire to foolish anger; but which surely prevented the attack of cerebral elephantiasis to which Hooker was liable.
Perhaps we had better give the letter entire, and so here it is:

Executive Mansion,
Washington, January 26, 1863.
Major-General Hooker:

General:--I have placed you at the head of the Army of the Potomac. Of course, I have done this upon what appear to me to be sufficient reasons, and yet I think it best for you to know that there are some things in regard to which I am not quite satisfied with you. I believe you to be a brave and skilful soldier, which, of course, I like. I also believe you do not mix politics with your position, in which you are right.

You have confidence in yourself, which is a valuable if not an indispensable quality.

You are ambitious, which, within reasonable bounds, does good rather than harm; but I think that during General Burnside's command of the army you have taken counsel of your ambition and thwarted him as much as you could, in which you did a great wrong to the country, and to a most meritorious and honorable brother officer.

I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator.

Of course, it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain successes can set up dictators.

What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship. The government will support you to the utmost of its ability, which is neither more nor less than it has done and will do for all commanders. I much fear that the spirit you have aided to infuse into the army, of criticising their commander and withholding confidence from him, will now turn upon you. I shall assist you as far as I can to put it down.

Neither you nor Napoleon, if he were alive again, could get any good out of an army while such a spirit prevails in it. And now beware of rashness, but with sleepless vigilance go forward and give us victories.

Yours very truly, A. LINCOLN.

One point in this letter is especially worth our consideration, for it suggests a condition that springs up like deadly nightshade from a poisonous soil. I refer to the habit of carping, sneering, grumbling and criticising those who are above us. The man who is anybody and who does anything is certainly going to be criticised, vilified and misunderstood. This is a part of the penalty for greatness, and every great man understands it; and understands, too, that it is no proof of greatness. The final proof of greatness lies in being able to endure contumely without resentment. Lincoln did not resent criticism; he knew that every life was its own excuse for being, but look how he calls Hooker's attention to the fact that the dissension Hooker has sown is going to return and plague him! "Neither you, nor Napoleon, if he were alive, could get any good out of an army while such a spirit prevails in it." Hooker's fault falls on Hooker--others suffer, but Hooker suffers most of all.

Not long ago I met a Yale student home on a vacation. I am sure he did not represent the true Yale spirit, for he was full of criticism and bitterness toward the institution. President Hadley came in for his share, and I was given items, facts, data, with times and places, for a "peach of a roast."

Very soon I saw the trouble was not with Yale, the trouble was with the young man. He had mentally dwelt on some trivial slights until he had gotten so out of harmony with the place that he had lost the power to derive any benefit from it. Yale college is not a perfect institution--a fact, I suppose, that President Hadley and most Yale men are quite willing to admit; but Yale does supply young men certain advantages, and it depends upon the students whether they will avail themselves of these advantages or not. If you are a student in college, seize upon the good that is there. You receive good by giving it. You gain by giving--so give sympathy and cheerful loyalty to the institution. Be proud of it.

Stand by your teachers--they are doing the best they can. If the place is faulty, make it a better place by an example of cheerfully doing your work every day the best you can. Mind your own business.

If the concern where you are employed is all wrong, and the Old Man is a curmudgeon, it may be well for you to go to the Old Man and confidentially, quietly and kindly tell him that his policy is absurd and preposterous. Then show him how to reform his ways, and you might offer to take charge of the concern and cleanse it of its secret faults. Do this, or if for any reason you should prefer not, then take your choice of these: Get Out, or Get in Line. You have got to do one or the other -- now make your choice. If you work for a man, in heaven's name work for him If he pays you wages that supply you your bread and butter, work for him -- speak well of him, think well of him, stand by him and stand by the institution he represents.

I think if I worked for a man, I would work for him. I would not work for him a part of the time, and the rest of the time work against him.

I would give an undivided service or none. If put to the pinch, (Remember) an ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness. If you must vilify (growl), condemn and eternally disparage (find fault), why, resign your position, and then when you are (on the) outside, damn to your heart's content. But I pray you, as long as you are a part of an (this) institution, do not condemn it. Not that you will injure the institution -- not that -- but when you disparage a concern of which you are a part, you disparage yourself.

More than that, you are loosening the tendrils that hold you to the institution, and (If you do) the first high wind that happens (comes) along, (will) you will be uprooted and (blow)n (you) away in the blizzard's track -- and probably you will never know why... The letter only says, "Times are dull and we regret there is not enough work," et cetera.

Everywhere you will find these out-of-a-job fellows. Talk with them and you will find that they are full of railing, bitterness, scorn and condemnation. That was the trouble--thru a spirit of fault-finding they got themselves swung around so they blocked the channel, and had to be dynamited. They were out of harmony with the place, and no longer being a help they had to be removed. Every employer is constantly looking for people who can help him; naturally he is on the lookout among his employees for those who do not help, and everything and everybody that is a hindrance has to go. This is the law of trade--do not find fault with it; it is founded on nature. The reward is only for the man who helps, and in order to help you must have sympathy.

You cannot help the Old Man so long as you are explaining in an undertone and whisper, by gesture and suggestion, by thought and mental attitude that he is a curmudgeon and that his system is dead wrong. You are not necessarily menacing him by stirring up this cauldron of discontent and warming envy into strife, but you are doing this: you are getting yourself on a well-greased chute that will give you a quick ride down and out. When you say to other employees that the Old Man is a curmudgeon, you reveal the fact that you are one; and when you tell them that the policy of the institution is "rotten," you certainly show that yours is.

This bad habit of fault-finding, criticising and complaining is a tool that grows keener by constant use, and there is grave danger that he who at first is only a moderate kicker may develop into a chronic knocker, and the knife he has sharpened will sever his head.

Hooker got his promotion even in spite of his many failings; but the chances are that your employer does not have the love that Lincoln had--the love that suffereth long and is kind. But even Lincoln could not protect Hooker forever. Hooker failed to do the work, and Lincoln had to try some one else. So there came a time when Hooker was superseded by a Silent Man, who criticised no one, railed at nobody--not even the enemy.

And this Silent Man, who could rule his own spirit, took the cities. He minded his own business, and did the work that no man can ever do unless he constantly gives absolute loyalty, perfect confidence, unswerving fidelity and untiring devotion. Let us mind our own business, and allow others to mind theirs, thus working for self by working for the good of all.
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 01:13 PM

Loyalty Pledge
By Elbert Kim Hubbard

If you work for a man, then In heavens name, work for him,
Speak well of him and stand by the institution that he represents.
Remember, an ounce of loyalty Is worth a pound of cleverness.

If you must growl, condemn, And eternally find fault,
Why resign your position? And when you are on the outside,
Damn to your heart's content.

But as long as you are a part of the intitution,  Never condemn it.

For if you do, The first high wind that comes along Will blow you away
And probably you will never know why.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 04:13 PM

QUOTE (eliseo1951 @ Sep 18 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loyalty Pledge
By Elbert Kim Hubbard

If you work for a man, then In heavens name, work for him,
Speak well of him and stand by the institution that he represents.
Remember, an ounce of loyalty Is worth a pound of cleverness.

If you must growl, condemn, And eternally find fault,
Why resign your position? And when you are on the outside,
Damn to your heart's content.

But as long as you are a part of the intitution,  Never condemn it.

For if you do, The first high wind that comes along Will blow you away
And probably you will never know why.



why? hehehe biggrin.gif


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Posted 22 September 2010 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (eliseo1951 @ Sep 18 2010, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loyalty Pledge
By Elbert Kim Hubbard

If you work for a man, then In heavens name, work for him,
Speak well of him and stand by the institution that he represents.
Remember, an ounce of loyalty Is worth a pound of cleverness.

If you must growl, condemn, And eternally find fault,
Why resign your position? And when you are on the outside,
Damn to your heart's content.

But as long as you are a part of the intitution,  Never condemn it.

For if you do, The first high wind that comes along Will blow you away
And probably you will never know why.

this is a very applicable in life.hindi lang sa frat.
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (eliseo1951 @ Sep 18 2010, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Loyalty Pledge
By Elbert Kim Hubbard

If you work for a man, then In heavens name, work for him,
Speak well of him and stand by the institution that he represents.
Remember, an ounce of loyalty Is worth a pound of cleverness.

If you must growl, condemn, And eternally find fault,
Why resign your position? And when you are on the outside,
Damn to your heart's content.

But as long as you are a part of the intitution,  Never condemn it.

For if you do, The first high wind that comes along Will blow you away
And probably you will never know why.



medyo nalilito ako sa name ng author kasi ELbert Green Hubbard naman ang makikita sa wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbert_Hubbard

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 06:13 PM

Here's his biography. The name "Kim" was not mentioned here. Could be a nickname?

http://www.online-literature.com/elbert-hubbard/

Get out or get in line

http://www.foundationsmag.com/hubbardloyalty.html

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 11:05 PM

I wonder if the editing and adoption was originally done by APO-Phils? A search for "Loyalty pledge + hubbard" on google mostly have APO Philippines references.

gusto ko malaman kung sila ang gumawa or inadopt nalang ng APO Philippines yung short version na ito. yung SRB kasi meron rin nito but no surprise since the bulk of its teachings and rituals are from APO, however MU LAMBDA Fraternity of UE College of medicine also uses the Loyalty Pledge. Made me wonder if meron pang ibang organizations aside from APO/SRB and Mu Lambda that adopted this. Kung ang inyong frat ay gumagamit rin nito, please sound off.

http://www.oocities.com/mu_lambda/loyalty.html

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 05:52 PM

Surprisingly, the Brotherhood of Plebeians has adopted the same Loyalty Pledge derived from the same essay by Elbert Hubbard. I am just wondering where on earth did they get the name Herbert Hubert smile.gif

http://plebesloyalty.blogspot.com/

If you work for a man, in heaven's name work for him
Speak well of him and stand by the institution he represents
Remember that an ounce of loyalty is worth a pound of cleverness
If you must growl, condemn and eternally find fault
Why resign your position
and when you are on the outside
damn to your heart's content
But while you are a part of thet institution, do not condemn it
If you do, the first high wind that comes along will blow you away.

-Herbert Hubert


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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:40 PM

mas mabuti na yun kesa sa Hubert webb




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