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Posted 08 October 2008 - 02:45 AM

are you a pro-hazing or an anti-hazing?
why?
just give your point of view....
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:10 AM

hazing is the thing of the past. fraternities should evolve into a strong arm in the Philippine society as a helping hand to our fellow citizens and not as outlaws that would physically harm the Filipino youth. Baguhin ang imahe ng Pinoy Frats! No more hazing! No more violence! Yes for Peace! :D
RA 8049 The Anti Hazing Law. You have no choice but to obey, its the law, otherwise your fraternity members are criminals.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:18 AM

View Postfratman, on Oct 7 2008, 09:10 PM, said:

hazing is the thing of the past. fraternities should evolve into a strong arm in the Philippine society as a helping hand to our fellow citizens and not as outlaws that would physically harm the Filipino youth. Baguhin ang imahe ng Pinoy Frats! No more hazing! No more violence! Yes for Peace! :D
RA 8049 The Anti Hazing Law. You have no choice but to obey, its the law, otherwise your fraternity members are criminals.

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STOP HAZING NOW! IBALIK ANG TIWALA NG PUBLIKO SA MGA FRATERNITIES!



if you'll stop hazing, can u surely clean the org/s name to the public???
in my POV, hazing is not the mere reason why public have this false opinion about fraternities..
though hazing is a plus but its not the main thing why their mind was corrupted by wrong impression.

what does media do??
lets admit the fact  that media sometimes do exaggerate things about fraternity issue..

another thing is the frat wars.. i think this matter gve much wicked degree to a fraternity..
and of course, the way the frat members act towards people will also gve conclusion to the people around them.
so better be a good model to everyone...

there are lots of things why fraternites have a great downfall to people's perception..
dont just blame it to hazing process...

ill try to site this one:
do AFP people ruin their images to the public though it is a fact that they have the worst hazing initiated inside their circle..
i guess not, cause people outside their core know how the process go along their way..just what like frat members have..so i guess hazing is not really the reason why public created a bad remark for fraternities and members...
as what i've said it makes a plus but not really the main point...


hazing for me is the rite for passage... and hazing is not just describe as a physical abuse..it can also be delineate as public humiliation, or having disagreeable task...

though i may disagree on a brutal act of it (guess everyone knows what the "brutal"means on this matter) coz too much may really be harmful, but lets face it, hazing will always be a part of a traditional fraternity here in the Phil.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:39 AM

What doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
-Friedrich Nietzsche

What if you get killed? Ano sasabihin ng mga brods/sis mo sa nanay mo? Sorry ma'am bumigay eh? hehehe

My point is, regardless of public image, tradition, rites of passage, excuses, etc. its the LAW. If you don't obey the law then what does that make you?

Do you remember the following?

Chris Mendez
Chester Paulo Abracias
Marlon “Along” Villanueva
Lenny Villa
Roland Seguiña

Kilala niyo ba ang list na to? Mag hazing pa tayong lahat! Para madagdagan yung listahan... di pa nga kumpleto yan..
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:59 AM

and thats just in UP. naalala ko pa yung mga namamatay na pledgee ng ibang frats na pingaputol putol pa nila yung katawan at tinatapon sa ilog. parati to nasa mga tabloid.

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 12:39 PM

Its about time that "FRATMEN" as we call them...be mature and responsible enough to know what is the "RIGHT"
and "WRONG"...We had to be in collegiate level para "maging inutil" at "mangmang" sa mga pinapatupad na batas.

You cannot get "LOYALTY" and "PRESTIGE" by means of HAZING" and or VOILENCE!!!

Let's all admit that we were once poor in comprehension...The definition "FRATERNITY- brotherhood of men
wngaged in HAZING and FRAT WARs.

SO the Anti Hazing LAW says:

NO HAZING/NO TO VIOLENCE....lets follow the rule of thumb, Laws of the  Land

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 12:43 PM

mga bading. tama yang ginagawa nyo para puro bading nalang pumasok sa mga frat nyo!
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:37 PM

View Posttroll, on Oct 8 2008, 04:43 AM, said:

mga bading. tama yang ginagawa nyo para puro bading nalang pumasok sa mga frat nyo!

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NEW ERA
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      There is an era of hate and an era of love; an era of violence and an era of peace; an era of despair and an era of hope; as well as there is an era for hazing and there is an era for anti-hazing.  The world is full of surprises and things seems to appear at a time we least expect, but that is life and we have to accept its realities.  Is there really a need to abolish hazing in our initiation?  Is it worth sacrificing our (hazing) tradition just to satisfy the call of time?  Can we still produce quality and authentic Triskelions without hazing?  Well, a yes or a no wouldn’t be enough.  The best thing to do here is to evaluate things slowly and fair-mindedly.

      The enactment of R.A. 8049 or the Anti-hazing Law immediately imply that the need to abolish hazing is tremendous.  In spite of all the good intentions handed down by Fraternities, they became futile for everything was negated by the ill-effects of Hazing.  Sub-consciously, hazing is virtually the mother of all these fraternity violence.  Why?  Because hazing is in itself a violent act and violence begets violence.  Although there could be an exceptional case where hazing emanates positive values but that would be a one in a million chance.  It made me remember my early days as a Frat-man where I was so irritable, proud and easily got into trouble.  The big deal was, I wasn’t like that before, it was a difference of a hundred per cent.   Was it hazing that made me irritable and proud? Was it hazing that made me so mean and aggressive?  Well, after all the thinking, my answer is definitely yes!  I became so dominant among my peers not because of charisma but because of fear.  I lost a lot of friends because of my new violent image and I felt so broken-hearted.  Fortunately, I was able to recover my composure and real self after about 7 months or so.  But the damage done within those 7 months is now so difficult to mend and I still grieve for those unfortunate moments.  How did I recover myself?... Well,  I recovered myself the moment I learned by heart the true principles of Tau Gamma Phi.  We just have to remember that not too many Triskelions can recover their senses as soon as I did.  Some don’t recover at all and that is a tragedy.

      Hazing is said to be our Fraternal Binding Force or maybe not.  Is it really because of hazing that made us Triskelions?  Or is it because of the Tenets and Code of Conduct?  Hazing for me is not the Binding Force but rather it is just an equalizer of pride; a rather brutal  equalizer of pride.  The question now is, is hazing the only equalizer of pride? Absolutely not! There are many to choose from but it was just hazing as the most accessible and probably the easiest method to implement.  Let us all accept the fact that hazing is now against the law and once we can establish that in our minds, then that will prepare us to formulate an alternative equalizer of pride.  What’s important is to preserve the degree of difficulty in joining Tau Gamma Phi.   “Dura lex sed lex, the law may be harsh but it is the law".

      Triskelion is a way of life and we strongly believe that.  I consider it as a unique and the best Way of Life because it can bring out the best in oneself.  If you are a Christian then you become a better Christian once you become a Triskelion.  If you’re a Muslim then you become a better Muslim once you become a Triskelion.  But you can only call yourself a True Triskelion if you live by its Way of Life; only that it is very difficult to become a True Triskelion.  As the saying goes, "Nobody's perfect",  but it doesn't prevent us from learning or knowing perfection.

      The end of hazing will not be the end of Tau Gamma Phi.  To adopt an alternative "Anti-hazing Initiation Procedure" does not mean that it will be easier to join our Fraternity.  It will just be a matter of innovation on how to make a worthy alternative process.  What I think to be more important now is to preserve the degree of difficulty without violating the Law.  The era of Hazing is now near its end.  It is now the era of Anti-hazing and being a True Dynamic Fraternity, we can make this Era as a “TAU GAMMA PHI ERA.”

     Long Live Tau Gamma Phi and Tau Gamma Sigma!

     Long Live Triskelions!
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Puro bading narin ba papasok sa Frat niyo?

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 09:07 PM

hehehe. Hindi naman porket hindi pinalo bading na. panu yung mga sorority? maging lalaki na sila dahil napalo? hahaha. buti nalang may mga fratmen that wants to make a difference. like the triskelion who wrote the article above.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 10:16 PM

hazing is not merely a physical abuse...
as what ive said, its the rite of passage...
you will not love what you have if you just
have it in an instant process, better yet said
with just a snap of your finger...

i may say no to savage hazing coz
it will be really inhuman but must have
a total diference in what you've got..
lets admit, when you suffer oppression,
it makes you more vigorous...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 10:36 PM

physical abuse that would lead to injury or death. that is hazing.

meron bang savage hazing? ano pala ang pwede? minimal hazing? may types of hazing pa ba? hehehe

if it cannot cause injury or death, hindi hazing yun!

and again ITS THE LAW. blame FVR for signing RA 8049, honorary APO yun.
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:01 PM

View Postfratman, on Oct 8 2008, 02:36 PM, said:

physical abuse that would lead to injury or death. that is hazing.

meron bang savage hazing? ano pala ang pwede? minimal hazing? may types of hazing pa ba? hehehe

if it cannot cause injury or death, hindi hazing yun!

and again ITS THE LAW. blame FVR for signing RA 8049, honorary APO yun.


i guess there is.. there is minimal, there is the so called maximum..
how can you differentiate a minimal to the other if it doesnt have the opposite of it???

as far as i know, hazing can also be define as humiliating trick...
its a matter of mind setting..tricks to prove your worth...
and a trick to pull out the best in you, wherein u can simply use initiative..
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:05 PM

I am still pro hazing but in a sense where I dont condone the physical harm as a form of hazing but more on the mental nature . IMHO , thats where the fraternity can extract the maximum potential of a pledge to become an outstanding fratman positively .
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:21 PM

View PostTropang1973, on Oct 8 2008, 04:05 PM, said:

I am still pro hazing but in a sense where I dont condone the physical harm as a form of hazing but more on the mental nature . IMHO , thats where the fraternity can extract the maximum potential of a pledge to become an outstanding fratman positively .


it really bring out the best in you...accept it...
unless you didnt experience this porcess...
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:40 PM

Honestly , I am an old school fratman . Though time changed and the lifestyle evolved , these is a need to change of system also . There are other ways to make a good person to a better person . Physical harm is only limited to the loyalty of an individual because he or she values it , baga " pinaghirapan " but in most cases specially to resident bros or sis , after graduation ... their love for the organization slowly fades .
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Posted 08 October 2008 - 11:48 PM

View PostTropang1973, on Oct 8 2008, 04:40 PM, said:

Honestly , I am an old school fratman . Though time changed and the lifestyle evolved , these is a need to change of system also . There are other ways to make a good person to a better person . Physical harm is only limited to the loyalty of an individual because he or she values it , baga " pinaghirapan " but in most cases specially to resident bros or sis , after graduation ... their love for the organization slowly fades .

and that shows one of the essence of the so called hazing.. ill deliberate it again as the minimal one...
not to harsh maybe but still it makes you more loyal to your own...
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 05:19 AM

View Postcosmo, on Oct 8 2008, 11:48 PM, said:

and that shows one of the essence of the so called hazing.. ill deliberate it again as the minimal one...
not to harsh maybe but still it makes you more loyal to your own...

expound minimal?

ilang palo ba ang minimal? 3? 10? 50?

pwede ba full blast o hindi?

hindi naman kasi clear kung ano yun. wala namang medical research ang mga frat na kung hanggang saan lang ang kayang tanggapin ng mga amuyong.

if so how can minimal hazing be defined?
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 06:18 AM

you're a fratman and you should know what inimal means in terms of this kind of topic...
as a frat member, you know when to tolerate the physical hit or mental test ability of your neo..
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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:26 AM

nagtatanong lang. and you didnt answer my question
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Posted 15 October 2008 - 06:47 AM

may hazing man o wala, ang importante ay magiging LOYAL ang bagong miyembro sa FRAT na kanyang pinasukan....
LOYALTY is very important...

hope this would do for this topic....its not the QUANTITY but the QUALITY of members...

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 12:15 PM

tama!
QUALITY and not QUANTITY.

If you can see most of the successful fraternities are those who have smaller number but make a big impact in the society by the members they produce.
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Posted 16 October 2008 - 06:13 AM

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mga bading. tama yang ginagawa nyo para puro bading nalang pumasok sa mga frat nyo!

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Posted 16 October 2008 - 08:21 PM

Share ko lang tutal about sa hazing naman itong topic.

1) http://www.gmanews.t...e-criminal-raps

2) http://www.gmanews.t...tes-in-Batangas

3) http://www.gmanews.t...azing-in-Laguna
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 02:47 AM

hahaha. Huli... kumakanta pa...
Ang aking mahal na kapatiran...
hahaha... pero wala daw hazing sabi nung National Primier nila.
Haay nako, at peke daw yung mga nag hazing.

no to hazing, no to violence!
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 02:48 AM

Eh bakit iba ang sinasabi ni troll at ng National Primier nila...

Baka dyan nasasapi si troll?  Ano sa tingin mo fratman?

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 02:52 AM

View PostSRB, on Oct 17 2008, 02:48 AM, said:

Eh bakit iba ang sinasabi ni troll at ng National Primier nila...

Baka dyan nasasapi si troll?  Ano sa tingin mo fratman?

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 09:05 AM

t_ga ang gumawa ng thread n to!!!

may kanya-kanya tayong opinion reagrding sa hazing,, kung fratman ka , natural pabor ka jan, kung d ka fratman, malamang bakla ka at d kayang aminin ang katotohanan. hahahaha... aaminin ko, may hazing talaga,, hindi lang naman sa frat, kahit anong org sa UP may hazing! mga t_ga talaga kayong lahat.

isa pa, anong karapatan ng mga taong mangutsa sa aming mga fratman e hindi nyo naman naranasan maging fratman?! anong alam nyo sa frat, e hindi nga kayo kasali?! mga bakla talaga kayong mga hindi fratman! gusto nyo ng peace? no to violence?! e anong tawag nyo d2 sa forum n to? peace b to?! violence din to kasi nagtitirahan kayo... e kung mag-aral n lang kayo ng mabuti o kaya magtrabaho ng ayos para umasenso ang buhay nyo?!

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 10:09 AM

@guest_G: sa aking palagay halos lahat tayo sa forum na ito ay fratman dito. dumaan ako sa hazing kaya alam ko kung ano ito at first hand experience ko dito ay hindi ito maganda at hindi ko ito nanaisin na marananasan ng iba dahil sa amin ito ay labag sa totoong tenets ng fraternity namin. para ba siang unooficial tradition na na adopt na ngayon ay nagiging cancer ng mga fraternities. pangalawa, ito ay isang tradition na ngayon ay bawal na sa batas. kapag nahuli ka ay makukulong ka na. ikaw ba bilang alumni ay nanaisin mon gmakulong ang mga residente nyo para lang sa kapatiran? kawawa naman sila na naguumpisa palang sa mundo. pangatlo taga UP ako kaya alam ko na hindi lahat ng organization nag he-hazing sa UP. initiation maaari. pero hazing hindi. magkaiba yun. pang apat: mag register ka muna.

@guest_aphio: mag register ka muna bago ka mag ngangawa jan. para kang apo bersyon ni troll e.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 10:33 AM

pro-hazing... but we must know our limits whn 8 coms sa paddling... QUALITY parin not QUANTITY... kasi mostly sa ibang fratman ngayon thy dont know whats d real meaning sa fraternity... yung iba nga naging fratman na hindi nla alam kung what ang aims n purposes nang frat nila... habang may mga fratman na ganito hindi magbabago image nang fraternity sa pinas... "DONT BE SO MUCH PROUD WITH YOUR FRATERNITY, BUT LET YOUR FRATERNITY BE PROUD OF YOU"!!!

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 03:54 AM

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