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#61 toilet_bowl

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Posted 22 October 2008 - 03:11 AM

No To Hazing. Need I say More?

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Posted 23 October 2008 - 07:23 PM

No to Hazing
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Posted 25 October 2008 - 07:41 PM

NO TO HAZING AKO, kaya kung babalikan ko ang mga alaala nung pledgee p ako hindi ko alam kung paano ako naka survive aba e ayaw ko yta  maging quiter nung panahong yun. siguro kung 30 na palo e gawin na 5 na palo nalang..teka hazing pa din yata yun ah :huh:

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Posted 27 October 2008 - 11:45 PM

well, lets just say minimize it..
more on lectures and discipline...
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Posted 28 October 2008 - 08:03 AM

View Postcosmo, on Oct 27 2008, 04:45 PM, said:

well, lets just say minimize it..
more on lectures and discipline...


for me NO HAZING NO FRAT.hazing is part of fraternity culture.pls dnt get me wrong about this.let me clear my statement.hazing could be physical which is illegal.it can also be mental,or in laymans term"unguyan".aside from indoctrinating plegees very well about the principles of his frat & services.he/she also need some sense of directions.they need to have a very good presence of mind.we as members of fraternity need to have also presence of mind.d nman at pledgee gugulpihin n.smin hindi kmi kumukuha ng bros/sis n lumpo at ayaw nmin ng mga patay n members.
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Posted 28 October 2008 - 01:41 PM

View Postg__, on Oct 21 2008, 02:20 AM, said:

alam nyo mga kapwa ko "fratman" nung residente pa ako sa frat, pag may final rites, hindi ako nakikigulpi, nanonood lang ako at umaawat pag sobra na.. now bakit ako pro sa hazing?? eto:

1. nagkakaroon ang mga neophyte n patunayan sa kanilang sarili n kaya nila..
2. mas ramdam nila ang hirap sa pagpasok ng isang organisasyon
3. mas memorable

ang pinagtataka ko lang, bakit walang sumagot sa tanong ko n , "ALAM NYO B N MAY HAZING SA FRAT BaGO KAYO SUMALI SA KUNG ANO MANG FRAT?" sagutin nyo muna ung tanong ko, saka uli tayo mag-debate,,

first I am a proud DeMOLAY member! I'm a PRO HAZING during my younger years as a fratman, but as time goes by and seeing the true light and meaning of fraternal brotherhood "I am an ANTI HAZING!"
I just want to react to this mesage coz its quite obscure and complicts his own arguements. If Im a new fratman I might be as wild, un-cultured, senseless and vulgar as this sentences states. The three reasons maybe for your own opinion is your fundamentals. But for my opinion those are the fundamentals of barbarism and the real fact that POOR COUNTRY and UNEDUCATED PEOPLE do and state this kind of statements thats why Philippines as a whole is still doing this type of barbarism kaya patuloy ang gulo, rumbles, and hazing dahil sa kahirapan ng society natin, un-supporting government and even the people within because of all the hardships within the society kaya ganyan ang pag-iisip ng ibang tao.. kaya nakikipag-away ang isang fratman sa ibang frat? minsan murahan pa lang at salita pa lang halos magpatayan na? tapos nung sumasali pa ok lang ang libre gulpi para sa kapatiran? (think this way, if your cousin or real family brother is from your so called rival frat? will you hurt him?) WHAT A BIG MESS WILL THAT BE FOR THE SAKE OF THE FRAT? thats why HAZING is still rampant because we have a poor country and worse a corrupt people even in the government and society. anyway regarding your three arguments:

1. nagkakaroon ang mga neophyte n patunayan sa kanilang sarili n kaya nila.. (anung dapat patunayan? tibay ng katawan? merong matigas sa hazing pero sa suntukan naman lampa and vice versa.. meron ding matibay.. bakla naman pala! meron ding mahina pero matibay sa tunay na buhay gaya ng kahirapan at self supporting! kaya pano mo malalaman kung ano ang dapat patunayan?)
2. mas ramdam nila ang hirap sa pagpasok ng isang organisasyon (ramdam ang hirap? anong klaseng samahan na ang ibinibigay sayo eh takot sa mga brods mo? para ramdam ang hirap? preparation for what? para sa more hirap? puro hirap yata? kaya di umaasenso ang pilipinas kase may mga ganitong samahan at mga tao na ok lang ang hirap! NAPAKAHIRAP TALAGA!)
3. mas memorable (anung memorable dun? the aches and pains for weeks? eh pag namura ka lang ng ibang fratman eh halos patayin mo na? nasan na ang hirap na nadaanan mo na nakuha mo ng libre?)

If your a fratman? do u ever see the light on how a fratman should be? have you ever see or shed the light to others? There are no freternity who will teach barbaric acts just to have obedience, fidelity and memorable days while joining a fraternity. Will it be better if its memorable because u put in your mind, heart and even sometimes to your soul the ideals, vision and mission of your fraternity?

and your last question: ang pinagtataka ko lang, bakit walang sumagot sa tanong ko n , "ALAM NYO B N MAY HAZING SA FRAT BaGO KAYO SUMALI SA KUNG ANO MANG FRAT?" sagutin nyo muna ung tanong ko, saka uli tayo mag-debate,,
I will answer this statement : "YES!" now where is your debate?


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Posted 28 October 2008 - 11:03 PM

@ aldwin, the point was all good....g_______ is the typical non sense person and no literate person will go on his words... we all share different opinions and POv here so no one/ nobody is wrong...
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Posted 29 October 2008 - 02:13 AM

View Postcosmo, on Oct 28 2008, 03:03 PM, said:

@ aldwin, the point was all good....g_______ is the typical non sense person and no literate person will go on his words... we all share different opinions and POv here so no one/ nobody is wrong...


yup.. I know no one is wrong until one accept that he is wrong.. I just couldn't help myself not to react. kase pinagdaanan ko na yung ganung ugali.. impulsive, wild and free spirited. Im just giving that guy to redeem himself and better yet, give him advice before he stuck up to some serious unlawful things.. Peace Out Dudes...
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Posted 29 October 2008 - 11:39 PM

yeah, right....   i sometimes stoop down to level not minding who he is and what kind of person he is coz he's totally a total ruin to everyone's POV...i just suddenly realize that my opinion is not good for a person like him..not even a single worth...
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 02:21 PM

No to Hazing. marami naman paraan para mahalin at maging memorable ang 1 frat. hindi lang sa pisikal na paraan. parehas nyo, kung iisipin ko ang mga pinagdaan ko ng akoy isang pledge pa lang 15 years ago, hindi ko aakalaing mabubuhay pako. :D bakit di nalang natin i-divert sa mga pakipakinabang na bagay gaya ng lecture, community service at kung anu-ano pa na makakatulong sa mga neophyte kung paano sila mag iimprove at magiging successfull pag dating ng araw. di ba mas masarap isipin at sabihin na.. yang si mayor or even president. yan brod ko yan. :lol:

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:28 PM

Kultura na kasi ng frat ang ganyan. Kung baga dahil jan sa <hazing> na yan nagkakapantay-pantay ang mga brods dahil parepareho ang naranasan nilang <hirap>. Sabi nga nyan: Mas maisasapuso mo ang prinsipyo ng frat o mas mamahalin mo ang frat kung naranasan mo ang hirap.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 12:55 PM

pabor ako s hazing.bsta ung tama lng.kasi ung iba halos patayin n ung mga pledgee nla.kasi part ng screening yan s mga neo.makikita ang diskarte,tyaga,ugali.
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 03:04 AM

hazing is against the law, RA8049.

Can all fraternities who practice hazing be considered as outlaws or criminals by not abiding in the said law?

Kung mahuli ng pulis yung mga brod natin na nag fafinal rites, ma dyaryo at makulong who are we suppose to condemn them or the institution for which hazing is a prerequisite for membership? Kawawa yung mga brods natin na sumusunod lang sa patakaran ng frat, pero lumalabag sa batas, at mananagot sa batas. Ano ba ang mas matimbang? The law of the land or the law of the frat?

I agree that hazing works, but it is illegal since 1995.
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:50 PM

I am anti-hazing.

I do not agree with the contention that if you remove hazing then you demote the fraternity.

Hazing, that which physically incapacitates or diminishes a person, is in contradiction with the concept of brotherhood. Brotherhood in the first place is not killing or hurting your brother. Why, in real life, sinasaktan ba natin ang mga itinuturi natin na mga kapatid.

Further, a fraternity, sorority or any organization may exist without "hazing". At hindi ibig sabihin nun na mga bading o binabae ang sasali sa ganitong mga organisasyon.

Christ, when he assembled his disciples, did not implore violence against his disciples. Christ and his disciples were not gay, were they? Neither were they "binabae". Christ did not paddle his disciples nor inflict violence against persons of Peter,  John, etc. But his disciples cherished the moment of their discipleship. They remembered the teaching of Christ, their Master, and put these teachings into writing. Further, the group of Christ and his disciples were forever remembered througout the world.

At nangyari ang lahat ng ito without hazing.

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:56 PM

View Postfratman, on Oct 8 2008, 05:10 AM, said:

hazing is the thing of the past. fraternities should evolve into a strong arm in the Philippine society as a helping hand to our fellow citizens and not as outlaws that would physically harm the Filipino youth. Baguhin ang imahe ng Pinoy Frats! No more hazing! No more violence! Yes for Peace! :D
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i agree!!..hehehe.. thats all.. kabahuan lang naman ng frats ang mga ganyang bagay... isang malaking kabaaduyan!!..hahaha...diba diba?..
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Posted 17 January 2009 - 08:55 PM

I am pro-hazing BUT it needs to be done in strict accordance with the fraternity by-law....as a fratman myself, I believe that proper hazing won't lead to death or serious injuries...that's the reason why we have a Master Initiator, right? hazing is a right of passage that would prove one's commitment and dedication not just to the brothers but to the whole brotherhood...if we take out this integral part of fraternal admission, we are also making our fraternities susceptible to fratmen-wannabes who doesn't take the brotherhood by heart....
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:29 AM

as a fratman, i'm pro-hazing. pero hazing should be done in moderation. we are in the practice of welcoming brothers and sisters and not maiming them for life or worse, killing them. practice moderation. hindi tayo pumasok sa frat para makaganti. salamat.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 09:47 PM

View PostPhiLambdaEpsilon, on Jan 17 2009, 08:55 PM, said:

I am pro-hazing BUT it needs to be done in strict accordance with the fraternity by-law....as a fratman myself, I believe that proper hazing won't lead to death or serious injuries...that's the reason why we have a Master Initiator, right? hazing is a right of passage that would prove one's commitment and dedication not just to the brothers but to the whole brotherhood...if we take out this integral part of fraternal admission, we are also making our fraternities susceptible to fratmen-wannabes who doesn't take the brotherhood by heart....

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 02:07 PM

ang mahirap ay ang pgigiging pabor sa hazing will make you automatically a criminal.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 03:37 PM

View Posteliseo1951, on Jan 19 2009, 02:07 PM, said:

ang mahirap ay ang pgigiging pabor sa hazing will make you automatically a criminal.

mali brad....alamin mo muna sana kung ano ang isinasaad ng batas bago ka magkomento....
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:39 PM

ay mali nga. pro hazing lang naman pala. ibig sabihin opinion lang. di ka naman caught in the act.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 06:47 PM

There are many forms of hazing.

To be sure, yung legal hazing dapat di kayo tatakbo pag may pulis na dadating.

otherwise criminal act nga...

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 08:43 PM

NO TO HAZING....idaan nalang sa COMMUNITY SERVICE...

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 04:38 PM

ANTI HAZING....

dahil yung iba abusado..

di makatarungan..

basta makapalo lng..

hataw pa hataw pa...

hanggang pumutok...

na ang mga hita...
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Posted 27 February 2009 - 10:29 PM

No to hazing. Our chapters in OBZ(olongapo, bataan, zambales) are now on a strict no hazing policy.
lumaki din ako sa STP, suntok tadyak at palo, naranasan ko ang hirap ng pagpasok ng frat at ayokong maranasan pa ito ng mga sumunod sa akin, were creating quality members, assets that one day our frat will be proud of not liabilities.

hindi kultura o tradition ng apo ang hazing, our founding fathers did not hazed themselves and their neos so why should we...

we will build a new tomorrow...
now is that time, if we dont act now who will?
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Posted 27 February 2009 - 10:48 PM

According to this site http://www.stophazin...definition.html

Hazing Defined

“Hazing” refers to any activity expected of someone joining a group (or to maintain full status in a group) that humiliates, degrades or risks emotional and/or physical harm, regardless of the person's willingness to participate.  In years past, hazing practices were typically considered harmless pranks or comical antics associated with young men in college fraternities.

Today we know that hazing extends far beyond college fraternities and is experienced by boys/men and girls/women in school groups, university organizations, athletic teams, the military, and other social and professional organizations. Hazing is a complex social problem that is shaped by power dynamics operating in a group and/or organization and within a particular cultural context.

Hazing activities are generally considered to be:  physically abusive, hazardous, and/or sexually violating.  The specific behaviors or activities within these categories vary widely among participants, groups and settings.  While alcohol use is common in many types of hazing, other examples of typical hazing practices include: personal servitude; sleep deprivation and restrictions on personal hygiene; yelling, swearing and insulting new members/rookies; being forced to wear embarrassing or humiliating attire in public; consumption of vile substances or smearing of such on one's skin; brandings; physical beatings; binge drinking and drinking games; sexual simulation and sexual assault.

Some common definitions and examples of hazing are below:

In the Alfred/NCAA survey of college athletes, hazing was defined as:

"any activity expected of someone joining a group that
humiliates, degrades, abuses or endangers, regardless of the person's willingness to participate. This does not include activities such as rookies carrying the balls, team parties with community games, or going out with your teammates, unless an atmosphere of humiliation, degradation, abuse or danger arises."

“Hazing is an activity that a high-status member orders other members to engage in or suggests that they engage in that in some way humbles a newcomer who lacks the power to resist, because he or she want to gain admission to a group. Hazing can be noncriminal, but it is nearly always against the rules of an institution, team, or Greek group. It can be criminal, which means that a state statute has been violated. This usually occurs when a pledging-related activity results in gross physical injury or death” (from Hank Nuwer's book Wrongs of Passage , 1999, p. xxv).

Hazing is defined by the FIPG (Fraternal Information Programming Group) as:

"Any action taken or situation created, intentionally, whether on or off fraternity premises, to produce mental or physical discomfort, embarrassment, harassment, or ridicule. Such activities may include but are not limited to the following: use of alcohol; paddling in any form; creation of excessive fatigue; physical and psychological shocks; quests, treasure hunts, scavenger hunts, road trips or any other such activities carried on outside or inside of the confines of the chapter house; wearing of public apparel which is conspicuous and not normally in good taste; engaging in public stunts and buffoonery; morally degrading or humiliating games and activities; and any other activities which are not consistent with fraternal law, ritual or policy or the regulations and policies of the educational institution."

"1. If you have to ask if it's hazing, it is.
2. If in doubt, call your advisor/coach/national office. If you won't pick up the phone, you have your answer. Don't B.S. yourself.
3. If you haze, you have low self-esteem.
4. If you allow hazing to occur, you are a 'hazing enabler.'
5. Failure to stop hazing will result in death..."

Will Keim, Ph.D., "The Power of Caring"

EXAMPLES OF HAZING

The following are some examples of hazing divided into three categories: subtle, harassment, and violent. It is impossible to list all possible hazing behaviors because many are context-specific. While this is not an all-inclusive list, it provides some common examples of hazing traditions.
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A. SUBTLE HAZING:
Behaviors that emphasize a power imbalance between new members/rookies and other members of the group or team. Termed “subtle hazing” because these types of hazing are often taken-for-granted or accepted as “harmless” or meaningless. Subtle hazing typically involves activities or attitudes that breach reasonable standards of mutual respect and place new members/rookies on the receiving end of ridicule, embarrassment, and/or humiliation tactics. New members/rookies often feel the need to endure subtle hazing to feel like part of the group or team. (Some types of subtle hazing may also be considered harassment hazing).

Some Examples:

    * Deception
    * Assigning demerits
    * Silence periods with implied threats for violation
    * Deprivation of privileges granted to other members
    * Requiring new members/rookies to perform duties not assigned to other members
    * Socially isolating new members/rookies
    * Line-ups and Drills/Tests on meaningless information
    * Name calling
    * Requiring new members/rookies to refer to other members with titles (e.g. “Mr.,” “Miss”) while they are identified with demeaning terms
    * Expecting certain items to always be in one's possession

B. HARASSMENT HAZING: Behaviors that cause emotional anguish or physical discomfort in order to feel like part of the group. Harassment hazing confuses, frustrates, and causes undue stress for new members/rookies. (Some types of harassment hazing can also be considered violent hazing).

Some Examples:

    * Verbal abuse
    * Threats or implied threats
    * Asking new members to wear embarrassing or humiliating attire
    * Stunt or skit nights with degrading, crude, or humiliating acts
    * Expecting new members/rookies to perform personal service to other members such as carrying books, errands, cooking, cleaning etc
    * Sleep deprivation
    * Sexual simulations
    * Expecting new members/rookies to be deprived of maintaining a normal schedule of bodily cleanliness.
    * Be expected to harass others

C. VIOLENT HAZING : Behaviors that have the potential to cause physical and/or emotional, or psychological harm.

Some Examples:

    * Forced or coerced alcohol or other drug consumption
    * Beating, paddling, or other forms of assault
    * Branding
    * Forced or coerced ingestion of vile substances or concoctions
    * Burning
    * Water intoxication
    * Expecting abuse or mistreatment of animals
    * Public nudity
    * Expecting illegal activity
    * Bondage
    * Abductions/kidnaps
    * Exposure to cold weather or extreme heat without appropriate protection

any form of hazing is still hazing and its against the law.
STOP HAZING!!!
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Posted 09 March 2009 - 01:57 PM

kapatid tama ka

NO TO HAZING

cmmnity service nlng

forn just one week

tama na un

dba

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 03:51 PM

im pro-hazing but WE SHOULD MINIMIZE IT TO AVOID DEATH AND SERIOUS INJURIES!





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Posted 23 March 2009 - 06:50 PM

I'm a pro-hazing... but we should know the limitations and restrictions on implimenting such.......there must be rules or somewhat guidelines for these that can be observed by fraternities nationwide.... Perhaps, a single body represented by individuals from different fraternities can be formed to monitor the occurences....do you think this would be feasible?

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Posted 23 March 2009 - 06:54 PM

View Postcosmo, on Oct 8 2008, 03:45 AM, said:

are you a pro-hazing or an anti-hazing?
why?
just give your point of view....



haha.. what a question!!.. kaya nga meron tayong web na pinoyfraternity para maisulong natin ang anti hazing at pagkakaisa.. hahah.. tapos ganyan itatanong m,o?.. hehe

peace..

well obviously!! .,"EH DI no"..hehe

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